Atrodo, aprašymų tendencijos skirtingos. Mano aprašymas - gryna beletristika, o kinologės ir Gambito - pusiau standartas. Ar nemanote, kad reikėtų šiek tiek paderinti? Jei publikuosime standartus, tai nėra reikalo tą patį kartoti aprašymuose.
Ir dar. Redagavimo labai jau prašosi tokie dalykai kaip "kaukuolė" ir "smailėjantis kaklas". Prieš publikavimą būtina ištaisyti klaidas.
na ash niekd nemokejau lietuviskai rasyt 
o siaip viskas pries dedant i puslapi bus suredaguota kaip priklauso. Jau redaguoti net mano darbe sedinti redaktore sutyko taigi su tuo problemu nebus tik reikia maketa aprasymo pasirinkt.
Mano manymu aprasyme turi atsispindet ir standartas nes jis nusako suns isvaizda. Taigi manau aprasymas turetu susidet tiek is kazko panasaus i standarta tiek ir is kazko panasaus i paprasciausia beletristika apie ta veisle.
Aš vis tik manau, kad standartai turi būti atskirai, kuo tiksliau išversti, ir, aišku, be jokios laisvos kūrybos. O aprašymai turi būti neperkrauti standarto detalėmis. Daugelis žmonių nori tiesiog susidaryti bendrą įspūdį apie veislę, jiems reikia gražaus rašinėlio, jiems visai nesvarbu, pvz., kad takso žastai tokio pat ilgio, kaip mentės, su kuriomis sudaro beveik 90 laipsnių kampą Kam įdomu, tas gilinsis į standartą. O be to, žmonės paprastai neperskaito iki galo labai ilgų tekstų
Siūlau dar aptarti ir gal balsuoti, ar kaip
Standartas,kaipo toks,man atrodo šlamštas 
Mane,kaip profaną šunų reikaluose turėtų dominti:
1)veislės atsiradimo istorija
2)dydis
3)charakterio ypatumai
4)kailio priežiūra
5)prisitaikymas gyvenimo sąlygoms (gali gyventi lauke it t.t.)
6)panaudojimo galimybės
7)veislės + ir -
Veislės grynumu te pasirūpina veisėjai
Aha. Mano rašinėlį reikėtų papildyti veislės pliusais ir minusais.
Manau, kad tai būtų visai tinkama schema veislės aprašymui.
jo man irgi patinka
man idomu pagal ka nustatysi panaudojimo galimybes. Stafas gali buti naudojamas kovoms tarkim, bet kodel jis negali buti naudojamas kaip pedsekys, apsauginis ar kitaip? kiekvieno suns naudojimo galimybes priklauso nuo jo paruosimo o ne nuo veisles. Na aisku takso nusiklateliui sulaikyti nepanaudosi del dydzio bet ir ji galima paruost kaip puiku surga tik probelema tame kad jis apsaugos tik nuo mazu zmoniu
Na ir vistiek noreciau dadaet 8 punkta “suns isvaizda” nes dauguma ziuri netik i dydi ar ailio ilgi bet ir i suns isvaizda. Juk tarkim kokio neopolitano mostino ir bordo dogo didis panasus ir kailio ilgis panasus bet pats kuno sudejimas galvos forma labai skiriasi.
Mano nuomone aprašymą turėtų sudaryti . Keturios dalys: „antraštė“, „standartinė dalis“ – maksimaliai artima standartui su laiku nušlifuojama iki lietuviškai išversto standarto, „beletristinė“ ir „linkai“.
Bendra schema galėtų būti:
„Antraštė“ – lietuviškas pavadinimas (jeigu yra su variacijomis), originalus/angliškas/vokiškas (gal ir rusiškas pavadinimas, kad būtų galima toliau savarankiškai ieškoti informacijos nete). FCI standarto numeris ir publikavimo data, FCI grupė, žmogaus paruošusio aprašymą nick‘as.
„Standartinė dalis“- kilmės šalis, proporcijos, temperamentas, galva , kaklas, kūnas, judėjimas, kailis, dydis, trūkumai, diskvalifikacinės ydos (pagal FCI standartą maksimaliai tiksliai išverčiant ir nieko nepridedant nuo savęs).
„Beletristinė dalis“ – kilmės istorija, istorinis ir dabartinis veislės naudojimas, charakteris ir temperamentas, mokymo galimybės, priežiūros ypatumai (kailio priežiūra, judėjimo poreikis), dažniausios ligos. Visa tai kartu mano nuomone jau ir yra veislės pliusai ir minusai, nežinau ką dar galima būtų pridėti, nes tai kas vieniems yra pliusas – kitiems gali būti minusas.
„Linkai“ – Lietuvos ir artimiausio užsienio veislynų koordinatės, geriausi Lietuvos šunys su genealogija, linkai į veislei skirtus neto puslapius.
O gal ir visai nieko variantas?
Tai galetu buti "beletristines" aprasymo dalies strukturos pavizdys (deja neturiu laiko isversti 
)
Pronunciation
Bernese Mountain Dog
Description
The Bernese Mountain Dog is a sturdy, heavy dog, with a beautiful weather-resistant tri-color double coat of black with symmetrical markings of rust and white. The dog should have a white blaze on the chest, white on the head and toes, and rust markings over each eye, on the cheeks, sides of the chest, under the tail and on each leg. The coat is moderately long and either straight or slightly wavy. The broad head has a slight furrow down the middle. The medium-sized triangular ears are pendant. The dark eyes have a gentle expression and the nose is black. The teeth should meet in a scissors bite. The body is compact with a wide, deep chest. The brisket should reach down to the elbow at least. The tail is long and bushy, carried low when in repose (a slight upward curve is permissible when the dog is alert). Dewclaws should be removed.
Temperament
These gentle, cheerful dogs love children. They are very intelligent, easy to train and are natural watchdogs, but not overly aggressive. A friend for life. They are very loyal and may have trouble adjusting to a new owner after they are 18 months old. Self-confident, alert and good-natured. They are fairly friendly with strangers, and are generally good with other pets and dogs. Never sharp or shy. These dogs may by slow to mature, remaining boisterous and puppy-like for quite awhile. The Bernese needs to be with people and not relegated to the backyard or kennel run. Like any dog, the Bernese Mountain Dog should be well socialized as a puppy. These dogs are sensitive and should be trained gently.
Health Problems
The Bernese Mountain Dog is a very hardy breed, but beware of hip and elbow dysplasia. Also prone to cancer, bloat and eyelid problems.
Living Conditions
Not recommended for apartment life. They are relatively inactive indoors and will do best with at least a large, fenced-in yard. Prefers cool climates because the thick coat makes the Bernese uncomfortable in warm weather.
Exercise
Large active dogs such as these need regular exercise.
Life Expectancy
About 6-8 years. The average lifespan of the Bernese has decreased in recent years from 10-12 yrs to 6-8 yrs. Cancer is unfortunately a very large part of the Berner world and many Berners die young.
Grooming
Daily to weekly brushing of the long thick coat is important, with extra care needed when the coat is shedding. Bathe or dry shampoo as necessary. This breed is a seasonal, heavy shedder.
Origin
Although the exact origins of the Bernese Mountain Dog are unclear, this breed probably began as a farm dog in the Swiss mountains. Paintings from the end of the 18th century show the Bernese type. By the end of the 19th century, however, many foreign dogs were being imported to Switzerland and there was a danger that the native breeds would be lost. Professor Albert Heim, Franz Schertenleib and others led the effort to preserve native Swiss breeds by finding remaining specimens and stabilizing the Berner Sennenhund (Bernese Alpine Herdsman’s dog) as a distinct breed. The Bernese Mountain Dog was named after the Berne canton of Switzerland where the breed is widely known. The sturdy Bernese has been used for driving livestock, for draft work and as a farm guardian. Because of his gentle, happy temperament, the Bernese Mountain Dog makes a fine family companion. Its talents are tracking, herding, watchdogging, guarding, search & rescue, carting, and competitive obedience.
Recognition
CKC, FCI, AKC, UKC, KCGB, CKC, NKC, NZKC, CCR, ANKC
Man patiko Daivos D. aprashymas. O bestChoise’o pasiulytas maketas atrodo apima viska, kas galetu dominti tiek paprasta profana, tiek ir profesionala. Tad manau shi varianta butina rimtai apsvarstyti, jei reiks patobulinti ir bandyti kurti ir redaguoti veisles pristatymus.
O cia kaip ir butu "standartines dalies" pavizdys (deja irgi angliskai
). Is karto klausimas Daivai D. ir kitiems zinovams - ar tai ir yra tikras standartas? Nes oficialiame FCI puslapyje deja nera nei anglisko, nei vokisko
Standard of the Bernese Mountain Dog
(Berner Sennenhund, Dürrbächler)
FCI-Standard No 45
Origin:
Switzerland
Date of Publication of the valid Original Standard:
March 12, 1993
Utilization: sito galime nedeti nes dubliuojasi su "beletristine" dalimi
Originally used as a guard and draught dog and for driving cattle in the Kanton Bern; today also multi purpose, companion and family dog
FCI-Classification:
Group 2 (Pinscher and Schnauzer type - Molossian type and Swiss Mountain and Cattle Dogs)
Section 3 (Swiss Mountain and Cattle Dogs)
Without working trial
Brief historical summary sito irgi galime nedeti, nes dubliuojasi su beletristine dalimi
The Bernese Mountain Dog is a farm dog of ancestral origin which was used as a guard and draught dog and for driving cattle in the prealpine regions and in the midland areas around Bern. Originally he was named "Dürrbächler" according to the name of the hamlet and of the inn of Dürrbach, near Riggisberg, where this longhaired tricoloured farm dog was especially appreciated
In 1902, 1904 and 1907 subjects of this breed were exhibited at dog shows. In 1907 a few breeders of the region of Burgdorf decided to promote the pure breeding of this native dog by founding the "Schweizerische Dürrbach-Klub" and fixing the characteristic traits of the breed in a first standard. In 1910, at the invitation of the "Dürrbach-Klub", there were already 107 subjects shown by the farmers at this very special event.
From that day onward this dog, renamed "Bernese Mountain Dog" (following the example of other breeds of Swiss Mountain Dogs) became rapidly known all over Switzerland and Southern Germany. Today the Bernese Mountain Dog is well known and appreciated all over the world as a companion and family dog thanks to its striking tricoloured coat and its great adaptibility.
General appearance sito irgi galime nedeti, nes dubliuojasi su beletristine dalimi
Longhaired tricoloured working dog, of above medium size, sturdily built, yet agile; well balanced in all parts
Important proportions:
Height at withers : length of body = 9 : 10
compact rather than long
Behavior - Temperament: sito irgi galime nedeti, nes dubliuojasi su beletristine dalimi
Self confident, attentive, vigilant, fearless in situations of every day life, good natured and devoted to his own people, self-assured and friendly towards strangers; of average and docile temperament
Head:
strong; skull viewed from front and in profile very slightly rounded; facial-cranial depression (stop) well defined without being too pronounced; frontal furrow slightly marked
Nose: black
Muzzle: strong, of medium length; nasal bridge straight
Lips: not much developed; well fitting to the jaws; with black pigmentation
Mouth: strong, complete dentition, scissor bite
Eyes: dark brown, almond shaped, with well fitting eyelids
Ears: triangular shape, slightly rounded at the tip, set high, medium sized, in repose hanging flat and close to the head
Neck:
strong, muscular, of medium length
Body:
compact and sturdy
Back: firm, straight and level
Loins: broad and strong
Rump: slightly rounded
Chest: broad and deep, reaching to the elbows; forechest well developed; chest and ribcage of wide-oval cross-section
Belly: not tucked up
Tail: bushy, reaching at least to the hocks; hanging straight down when at rest; carried level with back or slightly above when moving
Limbs
Forequarters:
Rather wide apart, straight and parallel
Shoulders: shoulder-blades long, strong and well laid back, forming a not too open angle with the upper arm, well attached to the chest, well muscled
Pasterns: almost vertical (or very slightly oblique), firm
Feet: short, round and tightly bunched; well arched toes
Hindquarters:
Seen from the rear straight and not too narrow; hocks and feet neither turning in nor out; dewclaws must be removed
Thighs: rather long, strong, broad and well muscled, with well bent stifles
Hocks: strong, well angulated
Gait/Movement
Sound and balanced movement in all gaits covering a lot of ground; free stride reaching well out in front, with plenty of drive from behind; at the trot coming and going, legs moving forward straight and parallel
Coat
Hair:
Long, smooth or slightly wavy
Color:
Jet black with rich tan markings on cheeks, over the eyes, on all four legs and on the chest, and with white markings as follows:
clean white symmetrical markings on the head: blaze extending towards the nose on both sides to a muzzle band; the blaze should not reach the tan markings above the eyes, and the white muzzle band should not extend beyond the corners of the mouth
moderately large, unbroken white markings on throat and chest
desirable: white feet, white tip of tail
tolerated: small white patch on nape of neck, small white anal patch
Size
Males 64 - 70 cm at withers, ideal size 66 - 68 cm
Females: 58 - 66 cm at withers, ideal size 60 - 63 cm
Faults
Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault which should be penalized in proportion to its seriousness and importance
light bone structure
undershot or overshot bite
absence of teeth other than 1 or 2 PM 1 (first premolar), M 3 (third molar) not to be considered
entropion, ectropion
sway back, rump higher than withers, sloping backline
curled tail, kink tail
distinctly curled coat
faults of color and markings
absence of white on head
blaze too large and/or muzzle band reaching noticeably beyond the corners of the mouth
large white patch on nape of neck
white collar
white markings on forelegs reaching distinctly beyond half-way of pasterns ("boots"
disturbingly asymmetrical white markings on head and chest
black ticks and stripes on white of chest
"dirty" white (strong spots of pigmentation)
black coat with a touch of brown or red
weak temperament, aggressiveness
Disqualifying faults:
split nose
wall eye
short coat, double coat (Stockhair)
other than tricoloured coat
other than black main color
N.B. Males should have two apparently normally developed testicles fully descended into the scrotum.
Nesiseka, man su Bangos sriftais susitarti . tikiuosi suprasite ir atleiste , kad tiek prisiukslinau
Dziadai, tu pats pasakojai, kad zmones taves vis klausineja, kodel tavo buldogai tokiomis trumpomis kojomis Tai is kur jiems zinoti kokios tos kojos turi buti, jei jis niekur neranda standarto pasiskaityti.
Manau, kad kazkoks skaidrumas veisimo reikaluose atsiras tik tada, kai “veisles grynumu” gales rupinti ne tik veisejai, bet ir kiekvienas suns savininkas.
Na man kazkaip labai idomu pasidare mes tuos aprasymus darom paprastam zmogui besidominciam sunimis ar profesionaliems veisejams ir kitiems profams Jei darom paprastiems sunu myletaojams tai jiems mano mnaymu visai neidomus tie standartai, jiems svarbu kaip atrodo jo suo, kokia jo psichika, kiek prieziuros jis gali pareikalauti, kokiu problemu gali buti del alergijos ir pan., ir jam nusispjaut ar nera 1cm nukripimo nuo standarto. O jei darom profesionalams tai tas puslapis paprasciausiai praras didele dali lankytoju. Juk lietuvoje profesionaliu kinologu gretos tikrai nera dideles. O mylinciu sunis tikrai pakaktu.
Taigi manau reikia nuspresti i ka orentuotas tas puslapiukas.
Tai jau profesionalams tai tikrai nedarom,jie gal patys kaip nors
Pataisiau BestChois
Noreciau, kad puslapis butu skirtas “paprastam zmogui besidominciam sunimis”, bet padarytas PROFESIONALIAI
Ar tau kaip “paprastam vartotojui” perkant automobili svarbu ar ne kad jis parduodamas kaip su 2 litru varikliu, o is tikro teturi 1,8l ?
Butent taip Lietuvoj daznai atsitinka perkant suni: perki cempiona “trijose kartose” (ir moki atitinkamai), o nusiperki 1cm neatitinkanti standarto
O tai negi negalima padaryti taip, kad ir nieko nesuprantantis ir jau šiek tiek suprantantis ir gal net profesionalas rastų kažką sau reikalingo viename puslapyje?
Bestčioiso pasiūlymas manau visai vertas dėmesio būtent dėl įvairiapusiško veislės aprašymo.
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